tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post3464456985771200143..comments2024-03-13T14:53:58.150-04:00Comments on MUSINGS OF A SCI-FI FANATIC: Star Trek: DS9 S1 Ep1 & 2: EmissarySFFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-48165058876911203912010-10-06T18:59:53.807-04:002010-10-06T18:59:53.807-04:00I love the conversation and it's nice to see t...I love the conversation and it's nice to see the alternative view through your commentary.<br /><br />I can certainly understand your concern based on this one writing that I might compare B5 and DS9. Rest assured, I'm more open minded than that. I did it more out of comparative fun in writing the entry. I do think there are alot of similarities though.<br /><br />I think there was a set plan, but there were indeed many trap doors written into that plan.<br /><br />I haven't conversed with fans on either side apart from here and thus have no real opinion on it other than what I have read. So if the debate is one sided I don't know, but your thoughts on it all are interesting from a different perspective.<br /><br />Anyway, your commentary was a terrific read and as someone who loves Star Trek as a franchise including the likes of Voyager rest assured I'm looking forward to DS9 when I have the time to sit and really take it in.<br /><br />Thanks as always.SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-15617720688145208162010-10-06T17:35:19.708-04:002010-10-06T17:35:19.708-04:00Here is a great bullet list showing the similariti...Here is a great bullet list showing the similarities between B5 and DS9. It's shocking how many ideas were similar but they both took these ideas in different directions:<br /><br />http://www.firstones.com/wiki/Similarities_between_Babylon_5_and_Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine<br /><br />My thoughts on that are simple:<br /><br />1)Berman said Paramount wanted another Trek show. The idea of having another ship in space just didn't work. They wanted to do a western in space and have a town instead of a ship. JMS wanted to do epic fantasy. . .the space station was more a character then a set piece.<br /><br />2)JMS had years of story written out and lots of trap doors. There is no way DS9 could rip off any ideas in regards to characters and their stories because there was no set plan for what happened in B5 with Sheridan and other BECAUSE the goal was to have Sinclair the whole run.<br /><br />The debate seems to exist and only exist with B5 fans. I, personally, have NEVER had a conversation with a DS9 fan about how B5 ripped them off or vice versa. JMS, as will be discovered by research into his other projects and his writings, is a rough personality to get along with. He assumes people are against him when they're not, he assumes ideas based on little fact, and he thinks more with his heart then his head.<br /><br />That said. I love DS9 and like B5. Both good shows. DS9 is just better. And no one who watches B5 could ever assume, without that list above, that DS9 ripped the show off. The structure, presentation, mythology, design. . .everything, is so amazingly different.<br /><br />Anyways, enough of that rambling from me (sorry): my greatest fear is that you will compare DS9 to B5 too much. The shows, in my mind, can't be compared. It isn't fair to one or the other. And whether B5 truly came first or not, B5 had loads of different characters that needed to be replaced after the pilot. So Kira isn't the mirror of Ivanova because Ivanova wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. And Odo is faaaar different then Garibaldi as security chief.<br /><br />If we have to compare though, B5 and DS9 have really rough first seasons. B5's is particularly terrible but DS9 doesn't hesitate to crap it up here and there in s1. Emissary certainly broke the mold for a new type of Star Trek but most of it's subsequent episodes in the first season (except 'Battle Lines', 'Duet' and 'In the Hands of the Prophets', the last two episodes of season 1) reverted to TNG based story telling: episodic adventures, tech solutions, mostly mediocre writing.<br /><br />Emissary was my #11 favorite episode in the whole run. I find it's approach to describing simple topics for US to aliens who can't think that way is fascinating. Director David Carson literally won the job of director for Star Trek Generations for his job here. . .and well deserved.<br /><br />Great summary as always but I beg you not to think of B5 too much when watching DS9 because it will color your take on either one. Both can stand alone.Willhttp://secureimmaturity.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-38204550899305451452010-10-05T11:02:06.198-04:002010-10-05T11:02:06.198-04:00Hope all is well TFKOP.
In fact, if I recall corre...Hope all is well TFKOP.<br />In fact, if I recall correctly you are one of those proponents of both DS9 and Babylon 5.<br /><br />Based on your input, sounds like Deep Space Nine has the slow start that slowed ST:TNG in that first season. I do look forward to all of these franchises in their entirety. There's so much of it. One episode at a time. Good to hear from you.SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-25131974384875000602010-10-04T21:14:09.585-04:002010-10-04T21:14:09.585-04:00Deep Space 9 is my favorite of the Star Treks, tho...Deep Space 9 is my favorite of the Star Treks, though I am a Trek-head and like them all. DS9 is very linear (to borrow a line from The Emissary) and the characters introduced in the series premier will last long through the series as the story lines unfold.<br /><br />And can I just say...Kai Winn.....what an evil bitch!<br /><br />Enjoy. It's almost time for me to run through my seven season box set of the series.<br /><br />I'm fascinated by the Bajoran race and their customs.<br /><br />Season 1 is a little slow, but the series rally picks up in Season 2 and forward.<br /><br />--joe<br /><br />ps I named my cats after DS9 characters - Kira Nyris and Kasidy Yates.TFKoPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07387801231871371036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-62590282666292298032010-10-03T22:27:39.549-04:002010-10-03T22:27:39.549-04:00Thanks Mike. I definitely tried to lend a bit of ...Thanks Mike. I definitely tried to lend a bit of the "history" behind its fruition to the entry. I hope it was laid out in a fair and accurate manner. It's an interesting slice of science fiction history. Cheers.SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-87810635513435598412010-10-03T01:15:50.892-04:002010-10-03T01:15:50.892-04:00Wonderful examination, Gordon! I really appreciate...Wonderful examination, Gordon! I really appreciate the history you put forward in your comparison with Babylon 5 and ST:DS9. Your references are spot-on and your thoughts about this pilot two-parter really thought-provoking. It's a great and more than worthy contribution to Secure Immaturity's DS9 Week. Way to go! Thanks for this.le0pard13https://www.blogger.com/profile/09421175808461787862noreply@blogger.com