tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post2594120040114696258..comments2024-03-13T14:53:58.150-04:00Comments on MUSINGS OF A SCI-FI FANATIC: B5 S3 Ep20: And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding PlaceSFFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-77308250263668184462008-09-05T08:22:00.000-04:002008-09-05T08:22:00.000-04:00ha ha! I guess I'll have to re-watch Galactica 198...ha ha! I guess I'll have to re-watch Galactica 1980 for the quality stuff then.SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-91690030801009040482008-09-05T03:11:00.000-04:002008-09-05T03:11:00.000-04:00Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. There will be ...Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. There will be no more great writing or performances, sorry.<BR/><BR/>;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444376138297002474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-30126826705214426742008-09-04T21:50:00.000-04:002008-09-04T21:50:00.000-04:00Cool M!Cool M!SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-24051258983369204892008-09-04T14:35:00.000-04:002008-09-04T14:35:00.000-04:00There are also some interesting new characters, tw...There are also some interesting new characters, two of them Centauri, ahead of you. One of them isn't actually that new; you've already met him, but I don't think you ever mentioned him: Centauri Senator Virini. He was in The Quality of Mercy and Sic Transit Vir. Watch out for him.<BR/><BR/>M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-39113535950950417732008-09-04T08:20:00.000-04:002008-09-04T08:20:00.000-04:00Sounds like there's going to be some great writing...Sounds like there's going to be some great writing and performances ahead. Can't wait.SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-25249737651117968152008-09-04T04:17:00.000-04:002008-09-04T04:17:00.000-04:00Perhaps thoughtful in the way that us seen-it-alls...Perhaps thoughtful in the way that us seen-it-alls have to keep in mind that there is a difference between what we know about Londo, and what you currently know about him, at this point in the series. :) <BR/><BR/>But all of this builds him towards his fate, and like most of Babylon 5, when you watch it again (which you will), it will not only make sense, you will see so much more clearly the foresight and planning of jms. Londo's story is for me one of the most compelling parts of all of B5. His journey from start to end is difficult, full of mistakes and very moving, filled with victories and defeats, and Jurasik masterfully takes him all the way. <BR/><BR/>And Londo may surprise you yet. Maybe even in ways you wouldn't think you'd be surprised. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444376138297002474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-7013694159814577912008-09-03T18:58:00.000-04:002008-09-03T18:58:00.000-04:00WOW! What a conversation. This is precisely what ...WOW! What a conversation. This is precisely what this episode did for me too. It just gets you thinking about the intricacy of each character and the politics in play. What a tremendous episode. I really liked it alot. So many great points made. You are so right about the chemistry between Jurasik and Katsulas. Guys, it is literally one of my very favorite things about this show. It's like poetry on screen watching them both interact. Straczynski landed some major major talent in those two individuals. I wonder how he pulled it off.<BR/><BR/>I thought y'all had interesting perspectives on Londo and both G'Kar and Londo are equally tough to analyze because they are so complex. I have to say there is something about this fairly BAD man that is also GOOD. Therein lies the oxymoron that is Londo. I like to think he can change through these dark days and somehow be salvaged. Time will tell. I look forward to the coming episodes.<BR/><BR/>Great point about G'Kar knowing how to manipulate the situation and G'Kar being prepared for it. You see Havremunken there's so much Straczynski leaves to our imagination. And M, I'm feelin ya on the whole treatment of Vir thing. It's amazing because Vir really sees the good in Londo or that combined with the fact he is an entirely forgiving person no matter what his brother Centauri puts him through. Man, so many thoughtful commentaries here I must go back and read just as soon as I get back from clapping and singing at the local church. : )SFFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256589316922398158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-12038774448011640012008-09-03T18:25:00.000-04:002008-09-03T18:25:00.000-04:00And the song that closes out the episode is just s...And the song that closes out the episode is just so awesome. And I'm not even into gospel...<BR/><BR/>--TFKoP<BR/><BR/>ps see yah in a couple of weekends... ;-)TFKoPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07387801231871371036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-7217248331386470222008-09-03T16:54:00.000-04:002008-09-03T16:54:00.000-04:00Agreed - Londo is a bad man, but he is OUR bad man...Agreed - Londo is a bad man, but he is OUR bad man. As bad as this sounds, at every step of the way, you can understand why someone in his position would do as he does, even if you do not agree with him. Sympathy for the devil (if not literally) is another place where jms shines. For some reason we care about Londo. He is mean, vindictive and selfish - yet we're happy for him when he is happy, and feel his pain when he is crushed (wrt. Adira for instance).<BR/><BR/>This is of course not only because of the writing. Peter Jurasik is an amazing actor, and it is a shame that more people don't get to enjoy his screen time with Andreas Katsulas. They just had something..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444376138297002474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-18857533441758308322008-09-03T15:44:00.000-04:002008-09-03T15:44:00.000-04:00Well, as much as I'd love to slap Londo for his tr...Well, as much as I'd love to slap Londo for his treatment of Vir, I still think he's morally superior to Refa. Londo at least does care for his people, Refa only cares for himself. <BR/><BR/>Our fanatic, as usual, is quite perceptive re: Franklin (amongst other things).<BR/><BR/>And fanatic, it won't be the last appearance of our fav guest actor Wayne Alexander; just a few more episodes, and you'll see more of him.<BR/><BR/>M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-11133350788891046432008-09-03T09:46:00.000-04:002008-09-03T09:46:00.000-04:00Yes, Londo *is* evil. In norwegian, we have an exp...Yes, Londo *is* evil. In norwegian, we have an expression (which is probably just translated from another (unknown to me) expression), "Everyone is closest to themselves" or so. Sure, if Londo can avoid hurting Vir, go for it. If not.. well, he was probably a necessary casualty. Londo cares about Londo. And he is probably a bit vary about Vir, considering the prophesies about their emperor-situation. While Londo has his good sides, he is who he is, and he is not the type to put awkward underling-friendships before his ambitions. ;)<BR/><BR/>From the perspective of where our dear fanatic is currently in the story - as Refa is dead now, its hard to say if what Londo says has even a nugget of truth to it. In this case, he was actually guilty of using the Narn resistance himself to attack a high-ranking Centauri. The minister in this story was probably highly suspicious of the info from Londo, but he didn't have any alternative sources of information on the situation than the one Londo orchestrated for him. <BR/><BR/>Refa was probably up to similar amounts of no good, but it's kinda hard to find out now. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444376138297002474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-86953414288735576982008-09-03T09:01:00.000-04:002008-09-03T09:01:00.000-04:00I find it utterly annoying how Londo treats Vir. S...I find it utterly annoying how Londo treats Vir. So he uses Vir because he thinks Vir isn't "important enough" to be killed. What if he's wrong? And there's no problem with having Vir mind-raped - it's not like he didn't see it coming? <BR/><BR/>I wonder how much is true of his reasoning about Refa's plans playing both sides against the middle by using the Narn resistance movement as a tool.<BR/><BR/>M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1031498593064294214.post-73398245910093157412008-09-03T02:59:00.000-04:002008-09-03T02:59:00.000-04:00Yep, Londo and G'Kar had arranged most of this bef...Yep, Londo and G'Kar had arranged most of this before Vir even heard about it. One of the things Londo would probably have made very clear is that he would do whatever it took to have Vir deliver the info - both of them know he's not that kind of Centauri. So when Vir came to G'Kar, more or less a broken wimp, G'Kar would know that Londo had found some compelling enough arguments to persuade Vir.<BR/><BR/>This episode really threw me off as well, and it gives you a new respect for Londo as the slick politician and evil mastermind. And I am as always very happy that jms doesn't stick simple, one-dimensional one-trick badguys in our faces. There's always more to them. <BR/><BR/>Finally, I must say that the whole happy choir/Refa being beat into Centauri juice thing was kind of disturbing, but what a way to go.. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444376138297002474noreply@blogger.com